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The traditional and conventional means is the "car battery", or some adaptation of it, based on the "lead accumulator" principle. <a href="http://eta-usa.com/pdffiles/DMTF300-SX-W-F-W6.pdf" rel="nofollow">300W AC/DC Switching Adapter</a>Anna Schaferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09633259957714692411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-12718919332862416332016-03-19T06:23:09.233+00:002016-03-19T06:23:09.233+00:00The main problem with electricity is that it must ...The main problem with electricity is that it must be stored, most effectively using some form of battery technology, rather than mechanical devices e.g. flywheels. 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Mass transit is the more realistic future of electric transport than personal electric cars.<br /><br />This is going to change society and we are again forced to confront the prospect of a more localised than a global human civilization.Professor Chris Rhodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060542089215379056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-78999876262550996032014-03-15T08:24:12.422+00:002014-03-15T08:24:12.422+00:00This article makes us think about some very import...This article makes us think about some very important considerations. The oil, the gas and fossil fuels in general are becoming scarce and polluting. Resorting to the use of electric vehicles, the situation is improved only in part, because most of the electricity produced today still comes from fossil fuel power plants and also because the lithium used for batteries may be insufficient in the coming years. One solution would be the use of renewable energy sources (solar and wind) to produce electricity. It is also important to look for alternative materials to lithium, also developing smaller batteries with more storage capacity.alke vehicleshttp://www.alke.com/off-road-vehicles.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-8651963020550166872013-03-30T03:42:33.881+00:002013-03-30T03:42:33.881+00:00I most appreciate the description of hydropower fr...I most appreciate the description of hydropower from the United States Department of Energy, “Water constantly moves through a vast global cycle, evaporating from lakes and oceans, forming clouds, precipitating as rain or snow, then flowing back down to the ocean.<br /><a href="http://www.inventhistory.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">hydro electric</a><br /><a href="http://www.inventhistory.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">hydro electric power</a><br /><a href="http://www.inventhistory.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">what is hydro electric</a><br /><a href="http://www.inventhistory.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">inventhistory</a><br /><a href="http://www.inventhistory.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">power generator</a><br /><a href="http://www.inventhistory.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">wind power generator</a><br /><a href="http://www.inventhistory.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">solar and power</a><br /><a href="http://www.inventhistory.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">electric transportation</a><br />Visit the website and get more information => <a href="http://www.inventhistory.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">www.inventhistory.com</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13382986537584603835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-85459396791100883352012-02-13T02:15:55.012+00:002012-02-13T02:15:55.012+00:00Hi Chris, I think the path inventors need to do no...Hi Chris, I think the path inventors need to do now is to make a better battery where it can store more energy with much less lithium. If we can have a solution to that then we can create a lot of cars that are fully electric powered.cement mixerhttp://www.batchcrete.com.au/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-5054793288662423882012-01-13T08:52:28.753+00:002012-01-13T08:52:28.753+00:00This is quite an old article now. You may be right...This is quite an old article now. You may be right, but there is a problem in making millions of electric vehicles to replace oil-fuelled cars etc.<br /><br />e.g. In the UK there are 34 million cars on the roads and so even if we made one million a year it would take over 3 decades by when the price of oil will be huge and supplies of it waning.<br /><br />I doubt we could make so many, especially given the issue of rare earth metals and the shortage of them as a wildcard, and so if we what to move people around by electricity, the way might be to forget about poersonalised transport on a similar scale and to concentrate on light rail and tram systems, i.e. mass transport.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Chris RhodesProfessor Chris Rhodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060542089215379056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-80609906363078642982012-01-13T03:31:00.433+00:002012-01-13T03:31:00.433+00:00I have a feeling that the people who are making lo...I have a feeling that the people who are making lots of money in the oil industry are intentionally delaying the switch to alternative energy sources. This technology is long due and it is possible to make them cheaper than petroleum powered gas for example, but things are rolling suspiciously too slow.unbrako distributorshttp://www.leonardindustrial.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-87685446480300588462010-11-04T19:53:13.611+00:002010-11-04T19:53:13.611+00:00Hello.. Firstly I would like to send greetings to ...Hello.. Firstly I would like to send greetings to all readers. After this, I recognize the content so interesting about this article. For me personally I liked all the information. I would like to know of cases like this more often. 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Like some sources of unconventional oil, it is a rate-of-recovery/flow/conversion problem.<br /><br />More demand for electric vehicles will stimulate further exploration and production of Li but supplanting 600 million oil-powered vehicles by electric is an almost impossible task.<br /><br />There is also some ambiguity over resources that are described as "lithium" but are actually lithium carbonate etc. Hence the latter looks to be around 10x as much "elemental" lithium as there really is.<br /><br />I think the overall prognosis is for a steep decline in the number of cars and the inevitable relocalisation of communities. Essential links by electrically-powered transport might come more readily in the form of light railway networks.<br /><br />Thanks for all this information.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Chris Rhodes.Professor Chris Rhodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060542089215379056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-10967602866564062802010-07-22T21:04:15.118+01:002010-07-22T21:04:15.118+01:00Interesting article, but a bit out of date.
1 mil...Interesting article, but a bit out of date.<br /><br />1 million tonnes of lithium is enough for 250 million 24KWh batteries. That is roughly 1/4 the current global reserve. Of course that large a battery is quite a bit larger than what you were speaking of in 2006, but it would work nicely for a 40 mile range PHEV. 1 million tonnes of lithium is the amount estimated to be available in Bolivia in one site alone, or 3 new surveyed sites in China. Plus don't forget that seawater contains quite a bit of Lithium Chloride.<br /><br />The other side of the equation is that Lithium isn't transmuted in batteries -- it would be recycled and reused. I'm sure that a long time ago someone felt there wasn't enough lead on earth to provide car batteries either.<br /><br />The reason there isn't much surplus lithium supply isn't that it can't be found, its that there isn't much need for it -- yet.<br /><br />However a rapid conversion to PHEV or EV would certainly be constrained by the lithium supply which would take a few years to ramp up.A Greener Shade of Geekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04197918274246339612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-46447469401411659862009-04-20T15:11:00.000+01:002009-04-20T15:11:00.000+01:00That's very helpful from TRU.
This is an old arti...That's very helpful from TRU.<br /><br />This is an old article of mine and I have seen figures since that there is more lithium to be had.<br /><br />I posted an update on scitizen.com<br /><br />However, it is the "rate of conversion" problem that I allude to Cyril - i.e. it will take a long time to make enough electric vehicles compared to how many cars 600 million there are on the world's roads.Professor Chris Rhodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060542089215379056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-3637478494495571352009-04-20T13:16:00.000+01:002009-04-20T13:16:00.000+01:00There is an authoritative long range lithium suppl...There is an authoritative long range lithium supply-demand forecast 2020 in a slide show posted on the TRU website. The demand projection is by end-use and the supply by state of development of various lithium projects including Bolivia’s Uyuni and lesser known Taijnar China (CITIC and QingHai). There is also a forecast for electric vehicles sub-segmented by type. The paper was presented at the major IM Santiago Lithium conference in January 2009.<br /><br />http://trugroup.com/Lithium-Market-Conference.html<br /><br />TRU Group Inc – Lithium ConsultantsTRUhttp://trugroup.com/Lithium-Market-Conference.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-35012900666761071152009-02-06T12:43:00.000+00:002009-02-06T12:43:00.000+00:00Thanks Cyril.My point is there is still a relative...Thanks Cyril.<BR/><BR/>My point is there is still a relatively long time to install anything close to some 600 million oil-fuelled vehicles worth of electric-cars. can it be done in time to replace them in the face of more costly/scarcer oil?<BR/><BR/>Regarding EROEI, the energy costs for producing lithium will increase with the rising price of oil etc. which must happen.<BR/><BR/>Overall, I envisage far fewer personal vehicles.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/><BR/>Chris.Professor Chris Rhodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060542089215379056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19508699.post-78713805177392115822009-02-06T10:41:00.000+00:002009-02-06T10:41:00.000+00:00Conventional li-ion will use about 1-2 kg of lithi...Conventional li-ion will use about 1-2 kg of lithium metal per plugin hybrid. <BR/><BR/>Lithium isn't a source of energy generation when we are considering electric vehicles so EROEI is not that important. More relevant is cost, and lithium is cheap. 10x today's prices will only add a relatively small amount to the total price tag of a car; but that will greatly increase the economics of lithium deposits, freeing up more lithium to be economically extracted and also providing an incentive for opening up mines much faster. <BR/><BR/>This is very unlikely to be a major problem.Cyril Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667288494374310919noreply@blogger.com